FORGIVENESS & Judging Rightly
Luk 17:1 Then He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! (This is not saying.. that... No offenses will happen... it is saying it is impossible that no offenses should come, meaning.. that they will happen. But woe to him through whom they do come!
I remember my ex sister in law once telling me, "You are offended! You are not supposed to be offended! That is what the devil wants and he goes into you through being offended." I can see how...especially when there is a hegemony in pastoral leadership which she was claiming..
Of course that was the latest best selling book that she read at the time and that was of course the psycho babble of babylonian craziness to get me from seeing her actions as not sinning against me and then me being insulted at how she was ill treating me? Nice manipulation there.. to tell someone not to be offended by their bad actions... hmmm?? (Reminds me of Obi wan Kenobi using "the force" passing of the hand wave over my face..no,... what that is....is witchcraft "for the weak minded" folks! )
Another way people get offended is because they do not understand the real meaning.. and when that righteous one brings that sword of truth it cuts into their side when they want to defend their sinful position. Yahusha often brought the sword of truth and the religious and educators of His time were offended because their understanding was misunderstanding and not the truth. If you really want to understand the truth, "study it... show yourself approved" and read on my friend.
Luk 17:2 "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luk 17:3 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you,rebuke him; and IF he repents, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 "And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."
The distinguishing factor shown above is that the "BROTHER", comes to be taught/forgiven. It is NOT the so called "brother" or sister who runs away from you, avoids or denies that they have done anything wrong while attempting to rebuke the one who is correcting their error of thinking by helping their ways to be straight by teaching them the truth.
The problem with the current hegemony of pastors who are "ruling and conquering the people" as "Constantianians" and not so called "Christians" or shall I rather say True Disciples is that NO ONE is open to being CORRECTED because they already are so FULL of men's teachings/DOGMA that they are full of ERROR and hide behind the skirts or the cloth like the Jesuits and Freemasons with their "hidden signs " looking after "the brotherhood."
When a person comes to YOU, (YOU, who hold the title of "pastor") and YOU give them bad advice, bad counsel, devoid of the truth and true meaning of what YaHuWaH really means, then YOU are robbing that person, stealing their innocence by molesting their understanding and causing a twisting up of binding concepts that cause outcomes of cursing instead of blessing.
No amount of smiles, cheshire cat grins and christianese talk of "God bless you, go in peace" is going to make their lives better if you teach them doctrines of man. All of your counsel must come from understanding the word in the way that it was meant, not your particular crafty, escape clause because it alleviates the pain of true confrontation.
- Matt 18:15 is the model to be adhered to in the Ekklesia, "set apart" congregations. Set apart congregations should not look like "the world" nor follow after "the world's patterns" but follow the early disciples and their message of REPENTANCE and DISCIPLINE to follow the word of YHWH.
Mat 18:15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
Mat 18:16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'[fn]
Mat 18:17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Mat 18:18 "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 "Again I say[fn] to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
Mat 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
Mat 18:21 Then Peter came to Him and said, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Mat 18:22 Yahuwsha said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."
We are called to correct , teach and instruct the sheep 70 x 7.
The truth and the pattern that is outlined here in the bible were written for our instructions for us to be one in the spirit. In businesses there are mission statements, goals, plans, rules, and mimetic organizations duplicate their efforts in success by staying with the "business" model.
Where does it say in the bible, every man for himself and to build his own empire or go off on his own doctrine that suits how he feels? That would be operating in the flesh and that is carnal. Where does it say in the bible to lift up celebrity or talk about your golf game or other sports team and give funny stories? It doesn't. Pastors you better repent because those are hirelings and false teachers.
It does not mean that different churches in different locations should do their own rouge style and deviate from scripture. If a pastor does do his own thing at his own whim, then he is rebellious and is not walking in the truth and He is not walking In Christ and has absolutely no leg to stand on.
As far as the patriarchal hegemony that too is a farce and women have spirits too. When we speak as oracles of Yahuwah we are to operate in the spirit teaching spiritual principles and sticking to the word of truth. If you are teaching that only men can teach then you are a carnal person and not a spiritual person because "in the spirit there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. " If we are a respector of gender or race or financial prowess then that is carnal and the law of sin and death.
This is the mission to adhere to the straight and narrow road, to walk in the spirit and you will not succumb to the lusts of the flesh. If you regard one man over another then you are not in Him. If you label a person as "that man was not a pastor, he just lived in a trailer behind the church" then you are in danger of hell fire because you have just misjudged and villified one who Yahuwsha died for.
"You wicked and evil generation! If you would judge yourselves, then you wouldn't be judged. Take the log out of you own eye first, THEN you can SEE CLEARLY to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
They will know we are the set apart ones by our love for one another. We must follow the Apostle Paul like he followed Christ Yahuwsha. No room for rouge rebellion we must die to our carnal way and submit to the spirit. The spirit will always follow the pattern given to us. That is how we know that we are in the truth and not lies.
Do you ever examine where you get carnal, false doctrine from? Have you ever tested yourself to see what is in you that is in error? Are you clinging to false secular constructs of man's dogma and have never asked yourself questions about what you have been taught? Who is the god of this world's system? Do you not know that he , satan is knowing he has little time and wanting to take even the elect by snaring them with lies? Better wake up and start to study to show yourselves approved.
If you pastors/leaders are teaching the secular constructs of "global" heliocentricity or Roman constructed "holidays", rather than the set apart appointed times/ Holy days of YaHuWaH and instead placing "abominations of desolations" (what is the "face value" for the symbolism that could represent "twice dead, chopped off from the base/root and made for the fire") DEAD TREES on the stage where the altar is, then you are teaching doctrines of man. Dogma. Jeremiah 10:2-4, Isaiah 14:8
Jer 10:2 Thus says the LORD:"Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest,The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
Jer 10:4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammersSo that it will not topple.
Isa 14:5 The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, The scepter of the rulers;
Isa 14:6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, He who ruled the nations in anger, Is persecuted and no one hinders.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet; They break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you, And the cedars, of Lebanon, Saying 'Since you were cut down, No woodsman has come up against us.'
More symbolisms of trees.... crack the parable disciples...
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: G1186 therefore every tree G1186 which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree G1186 bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree G1186 bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree G1186 cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree G1186 bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree G1186 that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree G1186 good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree G1186 corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree G1186 is known by HIS fruit.
Mat 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, G1186 so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
When one has a DEFICIT in their character, they lack PERFECTION/fullness of maturity. To "forgive" a person who is "IN NEED" of forgiveness is to instruct that one in righteousness/truth/light so that they have the right understanding instead of ignorance/darkness.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: G3772 but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. G3772
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. G3772 (We need to have revelation/understanding of what YHWH means because the religious who are carnally minded do not understand the meanings and are teaching wrongly).
We are called to perfection/maturity. " Be Ye perfect for I Am Perfect." Mat 5:48 "Therefore you shall be PERFECT, just as your Father in heaven is PERFECT. (PERFECT = FULLY RIPE, MATURE, OF FULL AGE, GROW UP INTO MATURITY. The False teachers say, "NO ONE IS PERFECT". They lie against the truth! We better grow up and become mature or we will never be in Yahuwah's/"God's" presence. Don't let the false teachers steal from you and cause you to continue in sin.)
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; We are called to grow up in Him, meaning to fulfill as our teacher has done.
Col 1:28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in YaHuWSHa.
Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a bondservant of YaHuWsHa, greets you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that you may stand perfect and complete in all the will of YaHuWaH.
1Th 3:10 night and day praying exceedingly that we may see your face and perfect what is lacking in your faith?
That one who is not perfected yet and is "in need" of growing up in the revelation of the grace, the GRACE -THAT HE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND RIGHTEOUS living, cannot necessarily "see" that HE MUST GO TO THE ONE WHO HE HAS HARMED,(make ammends)and go to that other person who has ought against him BECAUSE he has offended them.
The stumbling block, to that "little one" who did the harm to his brother/sister, that causes more harm is when he is being told FROM THE PULPIT that "ALL is under the blood and he doesn't have to worry about it, forget about the past!" NO... ONLY CONFESSED SIN AND REPENTANCE KEEPS ONE UNDER THE BLOOD OF PROTECTION.
Once again, that SIN against another, that he has committed is NOT under the blood until he repents/changes/makes restitution. Meaning that until he has understanding by realizing that he has a deficit or hole that needs filling with truth and submits himself to proper instruction in right understanding,( not false teaching) then that person can be made whole. Hebrews 10:26-31
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, (WHAT??????????!!!!!!!!! IF we sin willfully after knowing the instructions, there NO LONGER remains a sacrifice for sins!!!!! UH OH!!!! This means that willful disobedience requires a sacrifice for choosing to sin.)
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Adversaries-
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people."
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
and Hebrews 12:3-29
Heb 12:3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.
Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
"My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
Heb 12:6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,And scourges every son whom He receives."
Heb 12:7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Heb 12:8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us,and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
Heb 12:10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Heb 12:12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
Heb 12:13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
Heb 12:15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
Heb 12:16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 For they could not endure what was commanded: "And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow." (Brute Beasts) 2Pe 2:12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I am exceedingly afraid and trembling."
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are REGISTERED in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, <<<<< (MADE PERFECT!)
Heb 12:24 to YHWSHA the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that YOU DO NOT REFUSE HIM WHO SPEAKS. For if THEY did not escape who REFUSED Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape IF WE TURN AWAY from Him who speaks from heaven,
Heb 12:26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven."
Heb 12:27 Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the REMOVAL of those things that ARE BEING SHAKEN, as of things that are made, that THE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN MAY REMAIN.
Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we are RECEIVING A KINGDOM WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN, let us have grace(UNDERSTANDING OF THE REVELATION), BY WHICH WE MAY SERVE YHWH/God ACCEPTABLY with REVERANCE and GODLY FEAR.
Heb 12:29 For our YHWH/God IS A CONSUMING FIRE.
Sometimes, people learn incorrect definitions of what "forgiveness" means. Forgiveness does not mean forgetfulness. Nor does forgiveness mean that you can continue in sin or pretend it didn't happen or no longer exists by turning a blind eye to the sin.
Sin does exist. When people "miss the mark"/(sin) of the intended target of the truth then many people go astray and do not obey the truth, but they instead believe man's lies of dogma.
To truly be forgiven (get instruction in truth/light for their ignorance/darkness) a person must analyze self. If they never do that, then they have not swept their house clean and they will trip over all of the excess of build up and be crowded and overwhelmed.
The offended party or leader in righteousness must be able to teach the offender/person when they are ready to learn, if they truly want to be a disciple, first of their sin of transgression. But if the people stray and run away, they may never know or they may hide from the truth because they have a tiny inkling annoying them in the back of their mind.
Many people do not know that they are sinning or have sinned against another because they use rationalization or have been taught to "avoid ownership or blame". This last reason is because of rebellious false teaching that a person cannot sin or does not sin. If that is the case, then they are perfected. If they are not perfected and they still need to grow up in understanding, then they may need to be taught. If they are rebellious and do not wish to be taught, then they are not a true disciple but a liar and deceiving themselves.
We are called to ask for accountability of those who call themselves our brethren. If you avoid a person, it is because you are covering for sin and that is not good. What do you think would happen in heaven if you saw that person? The real truth is that you may not see that person because they will not be able to stand. They are not in the truth.
Matt 18:15 shows us that, "You must tell them in order to save their soul from the consequences of that sin/death. If the brother listens, then you gain a brother, but if he does not listen, take with you two witnesses so that every word can be established. If he refuses to listen, take it to the church".
Paul the apostle says to "judge those in the church rather than taking them to court IF he/she is a "brother," but if he/she is clearly in sin and does not repent nor give back what he/she has stolen or made restitution, then obviously, he/she is not a disciple and does not belong in the church fellowship to harm others. We are to kick them out hoping they will repent and church hopping needs to be discouraged when these issues are brought to the church as a whole. Are we not all one in the spirit? If not, then Whom do you belong to?
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."
The church is the body. The body is made up of the 5 fold ministry of Apostles, prophets, teachers, pastors and evangelists not just "the pastor" of "his business". Some say and proclaim this aspect of the 5 fold ministry, yet, saying is not the same as doing or allowing.
Then doing or allowing is also suspect if the doing or allowing is not the truth, but false. Yet still, most "pastors" have positioned themselves as "authority" in the non profit business/sector until trouble happens then the hireling/ rent -a -pastor quickly points back to his mission statement that "the body is the real church" and he will hide and run and not take any accountability for his false authority nor admit any blame for his own false teaching or those who follow his false instructions.
If you are doing that, then you are responsible for what happens in "your 501C3 government approved church"/ "business" and you are held liable for the false instruction or neglect. Who exactly do you represent? Man/mammon/government or Yahuwah the Creator and the government of heaven?
Matt 18:15 is the model and the hegemony is now being confronted. What will you do?
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